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Shadowman · Senior Member

RE: Paul Bonacci

Shadowman · Senior Member

Q. Okay. Dr. Mead, after he examined you, told the courts and the legislature, as I recall, and he testified before the legislature with you and I think that's part of your exhibits, part of your pleadings, that you had multiple personalities but that he believed your story. Is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Then you were examined by another psychiatrist ordered by the courts I believe?

A. Yeah. That was, she was from Immanuel, her mind slips me. Doc -- Stark? Dr. Stark or something like that, I'm not positive.

Q. Do you remember that examination?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. Do you remember what the results were there?

A. She concluded just as Dr. Mead did that I had multiple personality disorder and everything. They basically told me everything I said was true that I told her.

Q. Did you then have another examination by another doctor?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. Was that one paid for and ordered by the legislature of the State of Nebraska?

A. Yes, it was.

Q. Do you remember the name of that doctor?

A. Dr. Densen-Gerber.

Q. And it's my recollection, you correct me if I'm wrong, that you had extensive interviews with Dr. Densen-Gerber, is that correct?

A. Yeah. She came down and started several, I don't remember how it was, several hours, she went through many different personalities. And she, I don't know why she did it, but she had attempted to, several times and stuff, to have me say things that weren't true. But I corrected her every time because I wanted it to be known that, you know, what the truth was. And I found out later she did that on purpose, I believe to try and trip me up to see if I was telling a story if I was just making stuff up.

Q. Do you remember the conclusions she gave?

A. Yes, she came up with the same conclusion the other two psychiatrists had come up with.

Q. They believed you had been turned into multiple personalities as a result of sexual and other types of abuse, is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. And that this had occurred at the hands of particularly Larry King and some of the other people you've named, is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. I want to go back to the Johnny Gosch story. Who would be the best person that could tell me about that?

A. Me.

Q. Wesley?

A. Yes.

Q. And you believe Wesley can today because Mikey is integrated, is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you participate in the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch?

A. Yes.

Q. Tell us about it.

A. It was through a guy named Emilio that I had met several years before while my family lived in Carter Lake, which I had met him down in, there's a, I don I even know what the name of that park is, I think might be Levi Carter, not really important, it's between the pond and big actual lake and stuff. I met Emilio through a kid that I had met down at the park and stuff. His name was Mike, or we called him Mikey too sometimes, but mainly Mike. He was approximately my age. And he told me about his friend and stuff. And when they, in talking to me and stuff they found out I had been abused and stuff, Mike had and stuff, he went, told Emilio. It was at this point Emilio started to begin to use me to go to these, not really parties, but just like, like child pornography, that's what his main thing was was making child porn. That's how he basically supported himself. And it was shortly after that that they asked me to go on a trip with them to Des Moines. And I believe that was around Labor, September, we left on September 4th of 82. And we went to Des Moines. We stayed there in a hotel which 1, all I know is it was on the, on the west side of Des Moines. And we, they went through what they were going to do. At first I didn't know what they were there for. The first thing, this one guy came in and says this is the one. And I at that point still had no clue as to what they were talking about and stuff. They said that, you know, they were going to take this kid, they were going to kidnap him and stuff. And I was a little bit upset. And I said that I wasn't wanting to go along with them. And I'm going to try to tell this in the best order that I can so that it's complete and put all the personalities together because I think in the past it's all been broken up. And I think what I need to do is put it altogether finally. And I can do that, the other personalities couldn't. What happened was when they took us to Des Moines, after found out, it was still early in the afternoon and stuff.

Shadowman · Senior Member

Q. But before you ever went under any hypnosis is it not true that you had repeatedly told your story, the story of Larry King, of Franklin, of Alan Baer, the abuse and everything from the beginning, is that true?

A. Yeah. First in 1986 it was, I think May 20, no, it was 8th, April, I believe around the first of the month and stuff of 1986 and stuff I had gotten contacted by Northwest High School that I had, because I had missed approximately 80 days that semester. And they wanted to know if I was going to drop out of school. And they requested that I come in to the school and have a meeting with the vice principal and my assistant, my counselor, Dr. Wiedemeyer, actually Wiedemeyer, and also lady named Diane Zipay who was, at that time and stuff, she was a district counselor for OPS schools. And the three of them talked to me briefly and told me that my ex-girlfriend at that time and stuff, Nancy Owens, not related to Alisha Owen at all, not even the same spelling of the name, but Nancy Owen had spilled her guts to her mother. And her mother contacted the school because I had toldAlisha --not Alisha Owen, Nancy Owen, easy to get those the two names confused -- but Nancy Owen that what -- because we were dating and this kind of stuff, I had informed her about the sexual abuse that I had gone through. And I had mentioned that if it ever came out and stuff I'd be dead because of the, because of the people who were involved were, had a lot of -- trying to think of the word -- a lot of, they were really public people in Omaha. And they also had a lot of money. And it was at that time and stuff that my counselor asked me if I ever --when I went in for the meeting and stuff, he asked me had I ever been abused. And at that point and stuff I asked my mother to leave the room. Cause she was there too. I asked her to leave the room. And I told the counselors in essence everything that, most of the stuff that had happened and who had abused me. At that point they stopped it, they called the Omaha Police Department, who had already been contacted in advance of that I was told because they said they were waiting to speak with me. And they sent down two detectives, plainclothesed detectives and stuff. Who spent a period of almost two hours at the school in the principal's office, or vice principal's office at that time,now he's principal, James Bell, who was the vice principal at that time, and they questioned me. And at that time I told them about just about everybody who had abused me. I named all the names and then they -- kind of got scared because one of the detectives kind of looked familiar but hadn't said a word up until he asked me a question and stuff. As soon as I heard his voice, that it's, basically scared me to death because at that point I realized that he was one of the police officers that I had seen at a lot of the parties with Alan Baer and Larry King at the Twin Towers. And at that point I panicked and I made up a story that I can I believe I made up, that I had had a gun and I was down in the woods down by my house and I had attempted, thought about shooting myself, then I decided I wasn't going to. At that point they stopped it and had me taken the Nebraska Psychiatric Institute where I stayed for 38 days And they, you know, supposedly because I was suicidal, which wasn't the truth, I was just scared to death that if word got back to Alan Baer or Larry King that I was as much as a dead man. My life wasn't worth anything at that point. I figured if I made like I'm crazy or something maybe they'll just go away and leave me alone. And for the most part they did. They tried to erase they even came to the school.

Q. Okay. Let me just stop you there. You heard Noreen Gosch testify this morning, right?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember meeting her in prison?

A. I remember meeting her, yeah.

Q. Who would have been the personalities that would have talked to Noreen Gosch?

A. That would have been, I believe at that time and stuff, one that was called Mikey.

Q. That's what I thought.

A. And he's integrated and stuff and I have all his memories.

Q. You believe Mikey's integrated?

A. Yes.

Q. You really believe that?

A. Yes.

Shadowman · Senior Member

Q. And you asked me not to question you about family or any of these influence things in your life because you don't want anybody injured, is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you still have multiple personalities?

A. Yes, I do. I will always probably have both the personalities. I mean, I can, it's easy to live with now because I don I have any traumatic things to cause me to switch personalities which would really do me a whole lot of harm. But I know that even with my affiliation with Larry King and stuff, I know for a fact now to myself that he knew about the MPD and also was in touch with and was one of my controllers.

Q. You've had three separate psychiatrists examine you, is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. And were each of these psychiatrists hired and paid for by the State of Nebraska or one of subdivisions of the State of Nebraska?

A. Yes.

Q. And were they hired to determine whether you really did or did not have multiple personalities?

A. The first psychiatrist was Dr. Beverley Mead and he first was involved when I first went to jail. Because at that time and stuff they said that I was probably under a lot of anxiety and stuff because of the charge and stuff. And he examined me and I don I even remember the first time he examined me, I don I remember until about the fourth or fifth time he examined me. Because every time he examined me until one time he had me just kind of relax and just, and it was the first time it came out while he was out, or I was out, the other personalities were not, he told me that I had MPD and stuff. This is like after he talked to me four or five times and stuff and said in talking to me and stuff, I came to that time I was shocked about where I was at. Because up until that point I hadn't even realized I was in jail as Paul, I was always another personality that had handled everything and stuff. This was like about three to four weeks after I'd been arrested and I didn't even, I hadn't gone, I mean, I had no idea about any of it. And, but, he was the one that first diagnosed me with the MPD. And

Q. Can you stop just a minute?

A. Yeah.

Q. I'm not talking to Paul, am I?

A. No.

Q. Who am I talking to?

A. I used to be known as Wesley but now I'm called Tony.

THE COURT: I'm sorry, you're who?

A. Used to be Wesley, now my name is Tony.

Q. (By Mr. DeCamp) Why is Wesley here?

A. Because I figure it's best if I tell it because lot of things Paul just doesn't want to have to go through a lot of times.

Q. Understand.

A. I'm having a hard time because I knew everything that was going on, and I failed to stop it.

Q. You failed to stop it, Wesley?

A. Yes.

Q. Right? Do you remember Dr. Mead?

A. Yes.

Q. Dr. Mead was the first psychiatrist you saw, wasn't he?

A. Yes.

Q. Dr. Mead on behalf of the police department examined you, is that correct?

A. Yes. He said that the police wanted to take me over to St. Joseph Hospital where they could have me placed under hypnosis to see if everything that I was saying, so they could get out the details a little bit more easily.

Shadowman · Senior Member

MR. DECAMP: Your Honor, the next witness I'd want to call is Paul Bonacci.

THE COURT: All right.

THE CLERK: Sir, would you state your full name and spell your last name, please?

THE WITNESS: Paul Anthony Bonacci, B-o-n-a-c-c-i.

THE CLERK: Paul Anthony Bonacci, B-o-n-a-c-c-i.

PAUL BONACCI, Called as a witness, being duly sworn, testified as follows:

DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. DECAMP:

Q. Paul, I had originally planned to just go through detail of everything in the petition. For the purposes, as I understand it, of this hearing all that is presumed to be true.

MR. DECAMP: Is that correct, Your Honor?

THE COURT: Yes, that's right. That's acceptable.

Q. (By Mr. DeCamp) So for my purposes today I just want to briefly talk to you about how your life has been impacted, changed if you would, by Larry King. And all the things that he involved you in as a young boy. Go ahead.

A. Well, when I first met Larry King and stuff I had already been abused by some other people. But the one thing that I can remember a lot, Larry King, the most was the fact of all the threats that he used to use to try to keep all us kids in.

THE COURT: Sorry, didn't understand.

A. All he, Larry King, after I first met him and stuff he --

Q. (By Mr. DeCamp) Speak slowly and clearly, Paul.

A. He was very controlling. And he would use threats of, he was always threatening you if you told anybody that you would wind up dead. Several times he told us that we'd end up dead of overdose and stuff, even though a lot of the drugs people were, you know, that he was threatening to overdose me with I wouldn't even go around. I mean, I got, he was one that supplied me with most of the drugs I did, which was mainly just like speed and uppers and downers and stuff. After a while that's how I got up in the morning, how I went to bed at night, was because of the drugs and stuff. And that was mainly to mask the abuse that I was going through. And Larry King took us on a lot of trips. I mean, I can't even begin to number how many trips I went on. With Larry King to Washington, D. C., to Kansas City, Chicago, up into Minnesota and Los Angeles. He always insisted when we went places he was always concerned about the way we were dressed a lot of times. If we weren't dressed properly he would make us, he would send us out with Larry The Kid or with one of the other older guys and stuff to a store and they would be given either cash or credit cards and stuff to where they were, purchase whatever he wanted us to wear. And at his parties, which we a lot of his parties were at the Twin Towers, or his house, or in Washington, D. C., any city we're in he had us go to a lot of parties. He would bring guys in and stuff that he would tell us that we supposed to, what we were supposed to do with them. And we went in and did what we were told to do. And he, every, if anyone ever tried to get out of line or tried to leave or said they were going to tell anybody or stuff he would, I got, he would threaten us with the fact that, you know, we could wind up dead or we'd end up in jail. That was his big threat was, well, you will be charged with something that you didn't do or I can get anybody to say anything I want for the right amount of money. And he also used the fact that he had, he was close associate or good friend with Alan Baer and also with Police Chief Wadman. And I had already met, you know, I'd met Alan Baer through on the streets and stuff. But he would use the fact that Alan Baer had more contacts than he did even with the fact that Alan Baer had more legitimate money, he liked to put it. It wasn't money that could be documented and nobody could question it. And with Wadman he would basically use that as a threat that, you know, I could have you killed or anything could happen to you and, you know, you'll just disappear like all the others have. And I know at that, in 83 my stepfather died and I had contacted both Alan Baer and Larry King and told them I wanted no more to do with the parties and with any of it. And I told them, you know, they could kill me, and that would be over with and stuff. In fact, a day or two later, which can be testified to by my mother, and my brothers and stuff, we were at my grandmother's house down on about 29th and Park Avenue. And a car drove by and somebody yelled something that nobody else understood, but I did. And our car was shot. And I was standing right by the car, it went into the door that was maybe a foot or two right next to me. And at first everybody thought it was a, you know, somebody thrown a firecracker, it was just around the 4th of July. And, but I knew because I had seen the guy's face and it was a guy that we called Larry The Kid. And the window was busted on the car. And I saw the bullet, I was the first one to see the bullet hole. My mom and them called the police. And at that time and stuff we, I just let it go as to the fact that it could have been, I didn't say possibly who it was at all because that was a message to me that I had better keep my mouth shut that, you know, I would definitely be killed. And on a lot of the trips that he took us on and stuff he had us, I mean, I met some people that I don't feel comfortable telling their name because I don't want to --

Q. Are you still scared?

A. Yes.