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Q. Who was the first person you called after you were arrested?
 
A. First person I called after I was arrested was Alan Baer.
 
Q. Why did you call him?
 
A. Well, because in the past whenever I had been arrested 1, 1 mean, I had been picked up by the police, never actually put into jail. He told me if I ever got in trouble with the law to call him. That he would arrange it so I could get out. And so I did. And I never really got ahold of him very well. But another inmate that knew Alan Baer also kept calling him for me. Basically I was wanting to tell him at the time and stuff what I had said a couple of days before about, you know, cause -- the Wednesday before I got arrested he asked me, actually another personality, he didn't know it was, really I think he knew it was me, but he was one of the, going with a guy, supposedly one of my personalities, supposedly my brother, of all things, that he was going to have me get other young kids for his parties. And that we had, I told him, pardon my language, to go F himself and that I'd rather die before I'd do that again. And two days later I end up in jail.
 
Q. Were there any other personalities, not personalities like in yourself but other prominent people at these parties that you particularly remember? You had mentioned one, Alisha mentioned one, a name of Carlson.
 
A. Theodore Carlson, he was a judge in Omaha.
 
Q. He was at these parties?
 
A. He was at a couple of the parties. I think, I believe most of the time I saw him wasn't at parties at the Twin Towers, it was mostly like at I want to say The French Cafe. And, I mean, that's where I'm getting a picture in my head of seeing him at. And down in, I think there's a basement or something, but also up in like a loft or apartment upstairs. But at a lot of the parties I heard enough from other kids about him. And he preferred young girls.
 
Q. Alisha said that and she went to prison for it. Are you telling the truth?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. The final question Id like to ask you, how does this whole scene, mix you've been involved in for so many years impacted or affected your life or changed your life?
 
A. Totally screwed up my life.
 
Q. Who am I talking to now?
 
A. Paul.
 
Q. Okay. Go ahead.
 
A. For one thing I would have never been arrested for something that, something that I totally find disgusting. I would have never been at NPI, which actually caused me to have to give up my military career. Because i[sic] had planned all my life to join the Army and just spend my whole life in the military. I had spent four years in ROTC in high school and stuff just dreaming of getting in the military and rising up through the ranks and one day being somebody. And then having all that dashed because I was in a psychiatric hospital for something that wasn't even true. And the threats that he's made on my life and stuff is like to this day I'm scared for my family. Not a day goes by that I haven't prayed, asked God to protect my family. Because I know that this man has caused people to be killed. Friend of mine to be killed. He's caused a lot of, I can't even hardly sleep at night, which my wife can tell you that I hardly sleep at night any more. I never have. I mean, I have bad dreams and stuff which I don't even tell her about because it's like I don't want to put her through the same hell I've gone through all my life. It's hard for me to, it was hard for me to have relationships for a long time. I mean, I was afraid that, you know, I'd find somebody I really cared about and loved and stuff, somebody would come along and take them away. It's been hard for me to try and keep a job because of the MPD.
 
Q. MPD meaning?
 
A. Multiple personality disorders. Cause I get work, just like I don't know what happens. I love, I mean, I, I'm a hard worker, I love work and everybody that I work for and stuff just, you know, always has nothing but good to say about me. It's just that I have, I, Ijust quit. I don't know why. And, I mean, it's not a good thing to always have to be looking over your shoulder and stuff to see if somebody's back there and stuff following you. Sometimes I've done that a lot. When I got out of prison I was, I was terrified that they were going to bump me off. I mean, the first night I was out of prison for about a week I was so jumpy, I heard the ceiling creaking on the house and stuff on the trailer I thought there was a sniper up on the roof going to shoot me through the bedroom window. And even for years after that stuff, like every time I went to my car try to turn it on and stuff I always have to look everywhere, look under the seat, look under the car and stuff, make sure there's no bombs under my car. I always have to watch who I was around and stuff because it's like I was always afraid somebody would recognize me. And go into the store and stuff and people recognize you is, and then associate you as being a supposed pedophile or something like that when you know for a fact that you're not. You don't have any attraction for that at all and stuff. And the fact that I've never had any, I mean, I've never done this for, I never put any lawsuits on these people. I never expect to get, I never expected at all to get a penny. I was, it's always like I had planned anything that was ever settlement and stuff even for my portion was going to help kids who were used.


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Q. Who was the first person you called after you were arrested?
 
A. First person I called after I was arrested was Alan Baer.
 
Q. Why did you call him?
 
A. Well, because in the past whenever I had been arrested 1, 1 mean, I had been picked up by the police, never actually put into jail. He told me if I ever got in trouble with the law to call him. That he would arrange it so I could get out. And so I did. And I never really got ahold of him very well. But another inmate that knew Alan Baer also kept calling him for me. Basically I was wanting to tell him at the time and stuff what I had said a couple of days before about, you know, cause -- the Wednesday before I got arrested he asked me, actually another personality, he didn't know it was, really I think he knew it was me, but he was one of the, going with a guy, supposedly one of my personalities, supposedly my brother, of all things, that he was going to have me get other young kids for his parties. And that we had, I told him, pardon my language, to go F himself and that I'd rather die before I'd do that again. And two days later I end up in jail.
 
Q. Were there any other personalities, not personalities like in yourself but other prominent people at these parties that you particularly remember? You had mentioned one, Alisha mentioned one, a name of Carlson.
 
A. Theodore Carlson, he was a judge in Omaha.
 
Q. He was at these parties?
 
A. He was at a couple of the parties. I think, I believe most of the time I saw him wasn't at parties at the Twin Towers, it was mostly like at I want to say The French Cafe. And, I mean, that's where I'm getting a picture in my head of seeing him at. And down in, I think there's a basement or something, but also up in like a loft or apartment upstairs. But at a lot of the parties I heard enough from other kids about him. And he preferred young girls.
 
Q. Alisha said that and she went to prison for it. Are you telling the truth?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. The final question Id like to ask you, how does this whole scene, mix you've been involved in for so many years impacted or affected your life or changed your life?
 
A. Totally screwed up my life.
 
Q. Who am I talking to now?
 
A. Paul.
 
Q. Okay. Go ahead.
 
A. For one thing I would have never been arrested for something that, something that I totally find disgusting. I would have never been at NPI, which actually caused me to have to give up my military career. Because i[sic] had planned all my life to join the Army and just spend my whole life in the military. I had spent four years in ROTC in high school and stuff just dreaming of getting in the military and rising up through the ranks and one day being somebody. And then having all that dashed because I was in a psychiatric hospital for something that wasn't even true. And the threats that he's made on my life and stuff is like to this day I'm scared for my family. Not a day goes by that I haven't prayed, asked God to protect my family. Because I know that this man has caused people to be killed. Friend of mine to be killed. He's caused a lot of, I can't even hardly sleep at night, which my wife can tell you that I hardly sleep at night any more. I never have. I mean, I have bad dreams and stuff which I don't even tell her about because it's like I don't want to put her through the same hell I've gone through all my life. It's hard for me to, it was hard for me to have relationships for a long time. I mean, I was afraid that, you know, I'd find somebody I really cared about and loved and stuff, somebody would come along and take them away. It's been hard for me to try and keep a job because of the MPD.
 
Q. MPD meaning?
 
A. Multiple personality disorders. Cause I get work, just like I don't know what happens. I love, I mean, I, I'm a hard worker, I love work and everybody that I work for and stuff just, you know, always has nothing but good to say about me. It's just that I have, I, Ijust quit. I don't know why. And, I mean, it's not a good thing to always have to be looking over your shoulder and stuff to see if somebody's back there and stuff following you. Sometimes I've done that a lot. When I got out of prison I was, I was terrified that they were going to bump me off. I mean, the first night I was out of prison for about a week I was so jumpy, I heard the ceiling creaking on the house and stuff on the trailer I thought there was a sniper up on the roof going to shoot me through the bedroom window. And even for years after that stuff, like every time I went to my car try to turn it on and stuff I always have to look everywhere, look under the seat, look under the car and stuff, make sure there's no bombs under my car. I always have to watch who I was around and stuff because it's like I was always afraid somebody would recognize me. And go into the store and stuff and people recognize you is, and then associate you as being a supposed pedophile or something like that when you know for a fact that you're not. You don't have any attraction for that at all and stuff. And the fact that I've never had any, I mean, I've never done this for, I never put any lawsuits on these people. I never expect to get, I never expected at all to get a penny. I was, it's always like I had planned anything that was ever settlement and stuff even for my portion was going to help kids who were used.


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Q. You and other young people got to know each other somewhat during this period of time you went to these parties?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. How many of you were there involved in this?
 
A. it's kind of hard to say. Because I was in it probably longer than most of the young people that were involved. A lot of the young people were involved for a couple of years. Whereas I was involved from the early, either the late 70s, very early 80s up until even 86, 87. Even though I wasn't doing anything at that time and stuff, I was still around them enough to, you know, for photo ops or whatever Larry King wanted, enough to try to keep myself alive.
 
THE COURT: But for how long, from?
 
A. From, like I said, about the early 80s till 87, 88. And there were perhaps over that time period and stuff, I'm not just talking about kids from Omaha, and from Boys Town, cause there were several kids from Boys Town brought by bus, you know, brought in on vans and stuff. But also from the other areas where we went to and stuff on scavenger hunts for Larry, it was for Larry King. There's probably a couple of hundred kids. And as, from probably anywhere from 16 down to about 8, maybe some younger.
 
Q. (By Mr. DeCamp) You filed this lawsuit eight or nine years ago, is that correct?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. Alan Baer originally was one of the defendants, is that correct?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. Did Alan Baer ever have any contact with you after the lawsuit was filed?
 
A. He did in several different ways. Even after I got out of prison he's contacted me one time.
 
Q. What was the contact?
 
A. Well, in prison and stuff there was a guy in there named Bently Buckner who when I first got there he told me that he had been in contact with Alan. And said that he, Alan had told him to make sure I was okay and take care of me while I was there. Make sure nothing happened to me. And that had a lot to do with the fact there was a lot of pressure from some sources and stuff at that time that anything happened to me it would look pretty bad for him, too many people had already been ending up dead or something and I was just one that I, he wanted to make sure that I was taken care of
 
Q. Now, you were in prison for what?
 
A. I was in prison for three counts of sexual assault on a child. And what that extended to is that I got arrested for, the charge I got arrested on was for allegedly touching a 13 year old boy on the outside of his pants while I was supposed to be asleep.
 
Q. And your sentence for that was what?
 
A. I got a zero to five sentence, actually five years. I did all of the time that I was supposed to do.
 
Q. You were originally granted parole, weren't you, and then --
A. Yeah.
 
Q. -- an editorial came out in the World-Herald revoke, or telling them to revoke it and they did?
 
A. October 21st, 19911 went before the parole board, they voted unanimously at that time five to 0 to give me parole. And according, you know, we had a parole plan where I would be set up, I would be living with a minister in Lincoln and working for Ed Weaver, was what was set up for me at that time. And 10 days later before I ever got out of the prison the pastor I was supposed to be staying with was going to be out of a town for about a week or so so they couldn't let me go that day. But before I ever got out the World-Herald ran some pretty mean editorials and stuff saying that if I got out I'd be in touch with this LaRouche group which I won't have anything to do with because my brother ran away with one of them -- not my brother, my sister-in-law ran away with one of them. And so I had nothing to do with them really at that time. And it was after that Halloween, of all times, and stuff, of 91, October 31st, they revoked the parole and never gave a reason why. And that was pretty hard thing for me at that time.
 


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THE COURT: Very well.
 
Q. (By Mr. DeCamp) Do you understand you're still under oath?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. Okay. I just want to review a couple of the incidents of your life as you've laid out in your petition and some of the things that have been discussed here today. It's impossible for us to deal with anything more than just some very limited areas. But back to the Johnny Gosch incident. How was Johnny Gosch, how was this boy selected or was he selected specifically?
 
A. Well, the men came into the room, they had actually a couple of pictures, they had about five different pictures and stuff. They had pictures of Johnny and they also had pictures of other boys and stuff too. And the guy that I believe was Sam pointed at the one of Johnny and said this is the one. How he was selected I'm not exactly sure, but I know that they had several different photographs. And I know of the photographs, the pictures of the boys and stuff they had, one was of Johnny and stuff. He was carrying a paper sack with him on one of the pictures that I seen for sure. I'm not exactly sure how he was chosen or, you know. I know a lot of it had to do with the fact of the way he looked. Because the color of his hair and his eyes and everything. It could make them more money I guess. I --
 
Q. So it was not a random --
A. No.
 
Q. -- pick any kid, it was a specific targeted kid?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. And he was identified the night before?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. And you were with the people that did this?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. And then you were used the next morning as a young, what, was one to lure him or something?
 
A. It was kind of like a, I don't know exactly what I was called, it was just more like I was, me and Mike were kind of used as bait. We were to -- because it's like when you see other kids and stuff you don't normally run. I mean, if an adult and stuff comes up and started asking a kid questions and stuff often times kids will run and get scared and stuff. But kids your own age are talking to you and stuff you normally aren't frightened by them. So we were there to, I guess you could say lure him or get him close enough to the car where we could get him in.
 
Q. Okay. You in an eight or nine day deposition we did discussed Alisha Owen, discussed a lot of personalities, and discussed Robert Wadman. And you had made a claim earlier under oath, as I recall, that you had seen Alisha Owen with Robert Wadman, is that correct?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. And you were in fact charged with perjury because you made that statement to a grand jury, is that correct?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. And those charges were dismissed against you, weren't they?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. I'm going to ask you again today, you're under oath again, you're in a federal courtroom, did you ever see Robert Wadman with Alisha Owen?
 
A. Yes, I did. As I started to state earlier and stuff, I had seen them a couple of times and stuff, like I said, at the farm house and also at an apartment in the Twin Towers. And like I said, the one time in Twin Towers I walked in on them. And actually caught them in bed together.
 
Q. So you're saying you personally, Paul Bonacci, at the Twin Towers saw Police Chief Robert Wadman in bed with a girl we've come to know as Alisha Owen, is that correct?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. Absolutely your certain?
 
A. One hundred percent.
 
Q. Did you see him with her in any other occasion in a compromising position?
 
A. Like I said, mainly just at the Twin Towers and stuff. And also at the farm house I seen them a couple of times together. And I'm not sure I seen them any other times besides that. I know some other personalities may have, you know, said the one time happened different times or stuff, it was just one occasion that they were actually in bed together that I seen them.
 
Q. And you say that knowing that Alisha Owen is in prison for saying that same thing?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. Are you lying?
 
A. No.
 
Q. You're sure?
 
A. I'm positive.
 
Q. And you know you're under oath?
 
A. Yes. I'm as positive as I'm sitting here today and stuff that I know I'm one hundred percent sure that it was Robert Wadman and Alisha Owen.
 
Q. Did you know Alisha Owen?
 
A. I knew of her. I never really could stand her.


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Q. Involved in the kidnapping?
 
A. Involved in the kidnapping.
 
Q. Did you know who he was?
 
A. I never knew his name. All I know he was close friend with the Colonel and arranged for auctions. And shortly, I mean, 1, shortly after we drove past him he went back up into the woods I believe, made some calls. And that's why we wouldn't have found nothing in that town. I think they knew in advance that we were there because we'd stayed in some hotels and stuff going out there and stuff. That I believe that they knew we were in the area and they hightailed it out. Because when we went to the other road that I had recognized and stuff we stopped at this guy's house who was a mailman. And shortly after we left his house he was hightailing it down to the trailer park which I had talked about. And I don't know, we don I know what happened because we just seen his mail truck going down to the trailer park and it wasn't a mail run because it was way too late for that.
 
Q. Okay, I'm going to interrupt you here because I know we probably want to get to lunch here. I have just one more witness, might take probably three to five minutes, I'd like to ask just a couple final questions. Alisha Owen, do you know her?
 
A. Yes, I do.
 
Q. Do you know Robert Wadman?
 
A. Yes, I do.
 
Q. Do you know Alan Baer?
 
A. Yes, I do.
 
Q. Do you know Larry King?
 
A. Yes, I do.
 
Q. Were all those people at these parties that you've heard described here today?
 
A. Yes, they were.
 
Q. Where were the parties?
 
A. Like I stated, a lot of them were at the Twin Towers. In various apartments and penthouses. Some were at a farm house. Some were actually at Larry King's house. Which was on a, all I know it had a big hill on it. It was nice, nice house and stuff. Also down in Washington, D. C. We had parties in Kansas City, couple of parties in some place in New York.
 
Q. What was the nature of these parties?
 
A. A lot of the parties when we went to, that we went to and stuff, the ones in the Twin Towers were basically for one reason. And that was for sex.
 
Q. Sex between who?
 
A. There was sex between adult men and some other adult men but most of it had to do with young boys and young girls.
 
Q. Young boys and young girls with each other or with older folks?
 
A. With the older folks. Also some of the parties, there was some parties above The French Cafe that they would bring people in and stuff that were from out of town. Those were specifically for sex with minors. Also in Washington, D. C. there were, there was also parties like Rusty had already talked about where there was parties after a party. Where they would have a party where they would have a legitimate party with like some politicians, businessmen. And a lot of them never knew about what happened at the after, you know, the party afterwards and stuff. Like in Washington, D. C. there was a lot of parties where they would be senators and congressmen who had nothing to do with the sexual stuff. But there was some senators and congressmen who stayed for the parties afterwards. And one person that I'm not afraid to talk about because his, because Larry King always said him and this guy were on the opposite ends of the field because this guy was a Democrat and Larry King was a Republican. That's a known fact and stuff. And this guy, every time I see him on TV and stuff, my wife knows my hatred for him. Because every time I see him and stuff it disgusts me because it's --his name is Barney Frank.
 
Q. Did you have relationships with him?
 
A. Yes.
 
Q. Where?
 
A. In Washington, D. C. And also I was sent to a house, I believe it was in Massachusetts in Boston where I believe it was his house because there's pictures on the wall that, with him and with different people and stuff. And that he had met I guess. But it was in his basement.
 
THE COURT: Mr. DeCamp, sorry, maybe we better break for lunch.
 
MR. DECAMP: Want to do it that way? Otherwise 15 minutes we can be done. We can break for lunch, whatever you say.
 
THE COURT: I think we better break for lunch. Can we come back, what, 1:00 o'clock?
 
MR. DECAMP: Yes, Your Honor.
 
THE COURT: All right. Be in recess till 1:00.
 
(12:04 to 1:00 p.m., recessed.)
 
THE COURT: Mr. DeCamp.
 
MR. DECAMP: Yes, Your Honor. Your Honor, I think probably take 10, 12 minutes with this witness, I have one other, then we should be done.
 


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