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Astral sight was taught before astral projection, using tech-
niques that we still use today.

Several techniques that are used today in astral projection today
were also used in astral projection then, but usually, a priest led
the student in the first several experiences in order for the student
to get used to the experience and feelings associated with projection
to a particular heaven.

Therefore the guided trips were first used. Usually the first
trips were done in the temples (easier to do with all of the power
already resident in the temples). Some, like the priests of Horus were also done by the Nile's edge, the student going into a sleep, the
priest astrally projecting and drawing the students astral body and
consciousness out doing what is necessary for the Horus boat to arrive on the astral Nile, then going on the trip through the Horus heaven.
Sometimes it was done out in the desert.

Once when I was in Egypt, after finding a Eye of Horus between
the pillars of the temple of the ka of Ptahhotep, I went into the
Serapeum (desert underground chambers for the burials of the Serapis bulls; talk about sensory deprivation! Light wouldn't go farther than
20' and normal talking didn't extend past 30-40'.) and in the Serap-
eum, while sitting down next to the stone coffin of one of the bulls I
instantaneously, and lack of trying on my part, astrally projected. I
found myself several hundred feet over the desert at Sakkara and flew to the Nile and commenced on a trip to an Egyptian heaven.

When a teacher died, such as Imhotep, he went to the appropriate heaven and taught from there (according to the ancient Egyptians, who said that at that point their teachers on earth would astrally project
to the heaven to be taught by him). At that point, all priest/esses
called him Master, or another appropriate remark. Since apparently
there was much connections between the two worlds, the priest/esses knew when Imhotep finally left the astral heaven to ascend beyond and into the world of the god/desses. At that point Imhotep on earth was
called a God (this process is found in a papyrus fragment translated
courtesy of the French Institute of Archeology of Cairo).

Hence, if you know when Imhotep or some other lived, and know that after death he was called a master, then the earliest time that
he, or she, started being called a God was the time he moved out of
the astral plane.

Some other traditions use the symbology of ladders as an analogy of the ascent to their astral plane. Each rung represents a god or
goddess to invoke, the ladder is always held by two gods, which
symbolize the type of path being used. In some other traditions, there was a way to ascend through the astral plane and into the spiritual
realm, reserved for the higher priests who have passed the Guardian of the Threshold. These traditions can be found when you go to Egypt for in some of the temples the staircase to the roof will have a god/dess
for each step, symbolizing those that you will need to ascend to the
spiritual plane.

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Certain god/desses and spiritual beings can assist or deter you
from your astral trip.

THE HELPERS: Anubis is one of the best. Hathor is also great, for
she gives you magical power during your astral projection. The god Seb supplies all a person needs to astrally travel in many places. The god
Seb, Shu, the goddesses Nut and Tefnut defend people during their
journeys.

There was also the Souls of the West, Souls of the East; Lady of
the Evening, Calf of the Goddess (Morning Star), Souls of several
different cities for their special heavens; The Catcher of Gods, the
Divine Being who Examines Gods for Men, the God who Binds Gods.


THOSE THAT YOU WANT TO AVOID: The Unmentionable Terrible Serpent (with Lovecraftian powers and would be great in his novels, like
Chuthulu or Hastor the Unspeakable, occasionally used in Black Magic, which apparently was very uncommon in Egypt) I won't give you his
name.

There is of course, Apep, Apophis, and a few specific to each of
the heavens, but are usually particular to the Osirian heaven (Reading the Book of the Dead will give you a great idea about them).

A zoomorphic projection is when you astrally project then change your astral body into a zoomorphic figure in order to get to specific
egyptian astral heavens. An example is turning your astral body into a swallow to get to Isis's heaven, or into a hawk to get to one of
Horus's heavens.

Following the Eastern Tradition of the astral plane, the Egyp-
tians have an almost exact duplicate of the concept. Basically it says
that there is a plane of existence between the realm of the high gods and earth, called the astral plane, which has layers like an onion.
The astral plane is made up of the mind stuff of heaven and earth
dwellers alike and is as real as both. To the Eastern people, all the
heavens of all the religions are there. To both Egyptian and Easter-
ners, to get there you astrally project or out of body experience.
Although the Egyptians had a more elaborate version.

The Egyptians, therefore, which had several religious traditions,
of which Isis plays in a couple) had several heavens. These were
usually conceived of in layers or parts, corresponding to the layers
of the astral plane. In Heliopolis there were 12 layers or planes to
their heaven.

Each tradition had a different heaven and a different way of
getting there. The temples trained the people how to do it at home, at the temple, or elsewhere.

Sometimes more than just the astral body took the trip, there was also a spiritual body, the soul, the spirit and other forms.

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According to ancient Egyptian practices, you can project your
astral body, soul, spirit, or spiritual body. However, there is no
ritual to do all at once, probably because it would kill the person.
Of course the sa is considered the spiritual power of a person and the animating force of the body. As long as you have the sa and one of the three (soul, spirit or spiritual body) you're body can still live
during the projections.

The Egyptians are the only ones that I am aware of (other than a
very few Native American tribes) that even project the spirit or the
spiritual body or the soul.

Altered state of consciousness was used in Egypt, usually by NOT using drugs, although they did have mandrake, poppies and hemp (used in medicine as an anaesthetic). What was taught differed by tradition, and what kind of altered state differed also. For example: A scribe of Anubis: Does he want to become a doctor/priest, a mummification
priest, or a priest/guide to the astral plane? If the latter, then he
is taught the basics of the Egyptian astral planes and how each one
differs, and how each tradition of Egypt has a different path to their
own. He is taught how to astrally project, and then his teacher will
project and take him on a guided tour. Eventually he will astrally
project to the Anubis temple in the astral plane and receive higher
knowledge from their teachers. Eventually he will teach others to
project, and lead them on journeys. No one except probably about 15 people know how to astrally project to an ancient Egyptian astral
plane. The form you take, the route you take, what you see determines if you will get there, and if you don't know these things, according
to the Egyptians you will not reach the plane. Instead you will end up on an astral plane of Egypt created by people who lived from the 1700-1800's on, such as Golden Dawn people, Rosecrucians, Wicca people. Is there an astral plane? It's up to you. I have my own opinion. My
opinions are almost always based on experts in their own fields.

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ANCIENT EGYPTIAN INITIATIONS

The mysteries and initiations varied from temple to temple. In
the Lesser Mysteries of Isis there is preparatory instruction, medi-
tation within the temple and introduction to the sanctuary for par-
ticipation in a performance of drama of death and resurrection.

In today's society, there are many groups that give initiations,
but the initiation usually fails, and usually for the following
reasons;

1. The group doing the initiation does not know enough to do one
successfully (usually through lack of full knowledge of their trad-
ition).
2. Incomplete preparation of the Initiate.
3. Incomplete preparation of the group.
4. Incomplete Initiatory Ceremonies or process.
5. Initiation Rituals becomes a bad play at best.


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6. The people directing the Initiations weren't properly prepared
or initiated in their own initiation.

In Egypt, they allowed for self-initiation (but only for some
levels). All cognition, after all, comes from the inside. We
are therefore initiated only by ourselves, the master or teacher gives us the Key.

In some Egyptian initiations the goal is the receive the Sa, the
innate virtue or power of the gods as a sort of fluid (or magnetic
fluid or aura). It is transmitted by the God's (I will sometimes say
God, but take it as either God or Goddess) hands through touch or
passes on the neck or spine of the individual. This operation is
called the Satapu-sa.

"The Summit is the Apex of the Mountains height, but there are
both Summit and Valley, hence, something exists which causes both. Equally there is within you that which wants to lift itself despite
the animal instincts, and also that which wants to remain earthly.
Summit and Valley, are 2 powers manifested. If there were not these two there would be only one. Since there are two
there are also all the others which sprang from these, the other
Neters or Gods/desses."

"One should pass through complexity in order to exhaust the
various possibilities until the awakening of the consciousness which
leads towards simplicity; it is on intermediate phase between dream
and reality."

"If the essence and perfection of all good are comprehended in
the god/desses, and if you adhere to a more excellent nature, you will obtain a union with them, the contemplation of truth, and the posses-sion of intellect. A knowledge of the gods is accompanied with a
conversion to and knowledge of ourselves."

I'll let you contemplate that one for awhile. Written on the
college walls of the Temple of Horus at Edfu.

The Egyptian path can be considered (as defined by Frankfort) as;

1. Evolution = Ignorance
2 Destruction = Knowledge
3 Dissolution = Experience
4 Reintegration = Understanding
5 Integration = Wisdom

FROM: JANA HOLLINGSWORTH
Dear Michael, Not only was this the usual excellent note on Egypt, but I was most impressed by your concise description of failed initi-
ations. You have touched on a topic only a few Pagans are willing to
think about. Too often initiation in Wiccan and other Pagan groups has become a spiritually meaningless ritual, and the worst part is that
people don't even know the difference. Then there are all these
novices with no qualifications "self-initiating" themselves. I was
once initiated as a Dianic Witch, but it didn't "take." I never refer

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to myself as a Witch or a Wiccan. I am a Pagan, and I don't need to be
initiated for that.
So many who use the name Wiccan
Could use, in the pants, a good kickin'.
A Pagan I am!
I'd give each dam
Self-proclaimed Wiccan a lickin'.
Jana, Pagan and Proud!

FROM: MICHAEL POE
Except for those very few hereditary witches, most of Wicca is
new (1940s and later) and as such, much of it is from books and people who taught themselves from books and then taught others. All of the spiritual exercises and goals that need to be done to be truly init-
iated are usually missing (unless you are lucky enough to be one of
the few who was disciplined enough to intuitively done all the right
things first. I have been to many Wiccan initiations and while a few
have been magical, none have been fully effective, and most have been more like a Catholic mass, all pomp and circumstance and no magic. That's also essentially true of white people learning shamanism, they don't get the teachers that really know.

Ancient Egypt had 14 traditions in which the majority of them
were magical ones. After more than 30 years of studying ancient Egypt, even I can't tell you about the proper initiations of several of the
traditions; but at least I now have the spiritual exercises and whole
initiations for some of the them and in the group that I am involved,
we have done a couple of them.

Most wicca systems that I am aware of need to spend more time on the spiritual and magical development of the individual. Some ancient Egyptian systems took a minimum of a year to two years of spiritual
exercises before the person cast their first
spell. The priests had the ability to make people astrally project at
will, for example.

It's also a mistake being too eclectic. For example, Mercury is
equated with Thoth by the Greeks and Romans, but while they did share some powers and attributes, they were not the same. 8 track tapes and regular cassettes both play music, but try putting a 8 track tape into
a cassette
player!

Isis, for example, is never invoked as a Great Mother Goddess
unless she is holding baby Horus. NEVER! I have seen many wiccan
ceremonies where they use the wrong Egyptian god/desses in their
rituals, or the wrong god/desses forms for the powers they are invok-ing. Remember, that despite some current thinking that it's only the
association in your mind that counts, and if you want to invoke
Sekhmet with a knife (for example) as a gentle mother goddess, she will appear as that; it just isn't so. This is coming from people who
have never been properly initiated.

the prevailing thought up to 10 years ago is that if a form and
function of a god/dess has been worshipped for thousands of years by

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hundreds of thousands of individuals, including those properly in-
itiated, then that form and function will always override what one
individual or group over a few years may invoke. The thoughtform was constructed in the Astral plane and is extremely strong, and a few
people who have decided that (usually through ignorance) he/she had a different form or function, will never be able to compete with the
stronger form. Which is probably why many eclectic wiccan magic
doesn't work or work well. They don't know what they are drawing from, and instead of trying to get the vast astral power out there to work
for them, it works against them, or else their own little power will
be the only power they will be able to tap into. Michael

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FROM: BRENDA RYAN I was wondering about those temples that have been moved, do they still retain the power. Is it in the temple building
itself or in the ground upon which the temple stands? As you know, the temple at Abu Simbel had been moved during the building of the Aswan Dam but I think you mentioned it one time as a power spot. Also, I was more impressed with the temples and tombs in Upper Egypt than in the pyramids and the Sphinx. In fact, the Great Pyramid was musty smelling and claustrophobic so I didn't go all the way up. My friend thought I was missing out on the opportunity of a lifetime, but I just wasn't
impressed. I didn't "feel" anything there. The tombs in the Valley of
the Kings were another matter. I felt completely comfortable going all the way down in the tombs that were open and was much more in awe of the whole area.

FROM: MICHAEL POE To make a short answer long, let me
respond by this: Back in pre-dynastic times, the priest/-
esses had no stone temples, they worked outside (or later,
in mud and dabble temples) and cast circles; hence their
name; "People of the Circle". Eventually they had temples of
sun dried brick, but still retained the name.
During the Dynastic period they were building temples
out of stone. Now the stone temples, if you have seen them,
are covered with figures of the gods and goddesses and
religious texts and invocations. The walls became the
psychic circle of protection and were imbued with their own
power. Despite the fact that the magical group no longer
needed to cast circles for protection from without or raise
power within (as the temples walls did that), they were
still called the "People of the Circle". Some traditions
just won't die! So, yes, the temples themselves, despite
having been moved, are still full of power as the walls
themselves is the stone circle of power. Now you might ask,
well, that makes sense, magic being used in them for thou-
sands of years, but what about the power spot it was orig-
inally built over, if any? Well, of course, the temple,
being built over the power spot and with all the magic
working in it for hundreds or thousands of years, the power
from the spot would seep into the temples walls. That power
would still be there if the temple was rebuilt. Remember
that the ancient Egyptians would sometimes take an older
temple apart and incorporate the stones into the walls of

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